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OK, time to talk a bit about this. Playstation3 is coming next month, and from all that I can see it will have some kind of Java support. BD DVD should have it, and from what I could find on the net, the built in browser will support Java.

So, exactly what Java we are talking about? And does Sun have any plans to support newest Java on PS3, because it seems that Yellow Dog Linux is coming for Playstation 3, and will make PS3 their primary platform. In short, can you guys finally show the cards now (less than a month before PS3 Japan and USA launch)? If there was useful Java available, we'd know about it by now. Give up hoping for it.

Cas Well, usefull or not, some kind of Java IS in PS3. Would just like to know what kind For the less fortunate that can't read Japanese: 'edit: -The web browser supports Java and Flash Player (like PSP). -11 languages are available. -When you insert a music CD (authentic one) PlayStation 3 will automatically grab the info from CDDB (if you're online). -PS3 start-up music will be similar to an orchestra's tuning sound before they start playing.

'Install Other System' (install Linux?)' And with Yellow Dog Linux going for PS3 (first release mid November), and Sun (allegedly) opensourcing Java, Cell being IBM technology, PS3 having Nvidia OpenGL card in it, PS3 having a HDD, well, why are you so sure there won't be any usable Java on PS3 (maybe not at the beginning, but I really don't see why not in not so distant future)? I think you have mistaken consoles for little PCs. The first release of the console is the definitive standard for that console and its capabilities are basically determined from that point onwards. A crap Java port in 2 years time is not going to convince anyone except random nerds.

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I've got a PC and a Mac in the meantime and no desire to waste my time on such rubbish as an unsupported, slow, buggy, way-behind JVM on a console which brings absolutely no added benefit to me or anyone else! Or maybe Nintendo will see the light. Or even XBox.

I started this topic to see if there's any move on the Sun side. If my memory serves right, there was a lots of 'we are talking with partners', 'we are under NDA', 'we will open up when time will be right' from Sun's side.

OK, it's under a month to release now, a little update would be nice (especially considering a lots of missinfo, like my trust in the guy who translated the Japanese text above, and he seems to not know the difference between Java and JavaScript, sorry ). So, for now it seems that the only Java on PS3 is the one in BluRay DVD player, and that is ME just for interactive DVD menus.

Now, as for consoles not being a little PCs, coming with predefined featureset etc., I beg to differ with this generation. All three of them have network upgradeable firmware, and plan to use it (it seems MS will enable 1080p via this mechanism sometimes in the future). A different fight is going on this time. This new generation hardware actually deserves it.

It looks like Sony is trying to capture any market possible. Look at Yellow Dog announcement: 'n development of Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Terra Soft integrated and enhanced code from Barcelona Supercomputing Center, Sony Group, and Fedora in order to offer the following: - kernel 2.6.16 - gcc 3.4.4 and glibc 2.4 - Cell SDK 1.1 - OpenOffice.org 2.0.2 - FireFox 1.5.0 and Thunderbird 1.5.0 - Nautilus 2.1.4. And a suite of Personal Accessories, Development Tools; Sound & Video, Internet, and Networking applications. A single-click installer enables absolutely anyone to install without instruction. Post-install, the default suite of applications presents an intuitive, self-guided means of exploring Linux without the confusion of multiple applications in the same family. An Advanced installer mode enables selection from greater than fifteen hundred packages, as is expected from a complete Linux distribution. ' Now, if that ain't PC, I don't know what is Combine that with new and what it seems very open game download service, which will, it seems again, support even indie titles (Fl0w), seems to me that there could be a nice chance for Sun and/or OS community to bring some kind of Java to PS3.